Biblical Grounds for tossing out the “F” word – part 2

In my previous post, I took a quick stroll through the pseudes/pseudo word group in the New Testament and looked at the term “false” in its various usages and manifestations.  Now I recognize that seems like I’m on a mission to make myself the most fringe Bible-egghead out there, but I honestly and sincerely do those sorts of things unto a serious and necessary end.

Egghead(I’m fighting the urge to toss out a few dozen egg puns right now…)

So, in an eggshell, the idea of the last post was that a “false prophet” isn’t so much a technical category as it is, quite simply, a prophet who falsely claims to be a prophet.  This then begs the question: if every prophet who wrongly claims the title us a false prophet, aren’t there tens of thousands of false prophets out there?  Aren’t there then also millions of false teachers?  What about a guy who thinks he’s a prophet and is simply mistaken due to ignorance?  Isn’t there room for an innocent misunderstanding with a guy who’s simply untrained about prophets, teachers, apostles, etc.?

Well, that’s where we need to take a comprehensive look at the concept of false prophets in the Bible.  That should help us hammer through these secondary questions.  Let’s rock!

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Biblical Grounds for tossing out the “F” word – Part 1

Flaming F

No.

I’m not think about that “F” word.

I mean, what biblical grounds could there possibly be for chucking out a horrifying word like “frankincense“?

Shock

Are you a magi?

Are you bringing gifts to the incarnated son of God?

No?

Well then, you’re thinking about the wrong “F” word MuckMouth! Continue reading

Thoughts and Ramblings from the past, present and future…

Well, I haven’t been posting much in the last while since I’ve been travelling around Western Canada, in the various stages of candidating with several churches.  What a process!  When it’s all said and done, I’ll post some reflections on what I’ve seen across Western Canada and the state of the church.  In a nutshell, the lack of biblically qualified and properly trained leaders in churches is frightening.  There’s a lot of sheep in Western Canada who are limping along and need a shepherd, and choosing one flock to shepherd is difficult, at best.

While I’ve been away, people have been steadily coming out here and reading about Brad Jersak and NAET/Applied Kinesiology.  I think I’ve written articles on the two most obscure issues/problems facing the church, and I’m amazed that over 100 people have read both articles.  If you’ve come here from a google search looking for some critical interaction with “listening prayer”, Brad Jersak or Applied Kinesiology and Devi S. Nambudripad (which my analytics tells me most of you do), welcome!  I hope you find some answers that point you toward truth and not error.

I’m still running around and talking with Churches.  This weekend, I’m gone again and will be in Alberta.  I’m not sure if I’ll be back here the following weekend, but if I am that will make it the first week in 5 that I’ve been home for the weekend!  I’ve met a lot of people and my prayer list has sure grown!  Either way,  I think I’ll take Jimmy up on his idea and write a little about the biblical, exegetical foundation of apologetics.  I’ve got a few other issues on the brain too, so those will come in time.

Until Next Time,

Lyndon “The Armchair Absentee Blogger” Unger

p.s. – People are still showing up here reading my interactions with the Barker/White debate from 2009, which means they are seriously digging through the AOMin archives to find the link to me.  Bible geeks are hilarious.  Oh, and I never finished the write up on that too…*guilty conscience attack*  Doh.

Some New Context to Brad Jersak and Listening Prayer…

Okay…

I’ve had some communication with a brother in the Lord who tipped me off to start reading through the bibliography of Can You Hear Me and start examining some of the references.  One can tell a lot about a person by who they reference in a work; the books they cite tell you a lot about the content that feeds their thought.  That project is ongoing, though I doubt I will post much if anything about that since I don’t want this blog to turn into a “slam Brad Jersak” fest.

Honestly, I read Jersak’s book and have written on it because I’ve been asked about the subject by dozens of people…probably hundreds to date.  I went to the Bible College where Brad peddled his theological wares and now, years later I see the trail of destroyed lives, confused believers and ruined ministries his ideas leave behind.  I’m unaware of anyone else online who has actually addressed the teachings of Brad Jersak directly, so I have posted what is here.  To date, only 150+ people have searched the subject and found my blog, and I’ve had some positive feedback from those who sought answers and found them…but with 150+ reads, I’m not exactly a threat to Jersak or his ministry.  I’m not really affecting the proliferation of listening prayer seminars or anything.  He likely doesn’t know I exist, and if he does, he certainly doesn’t care.

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That being said, on page 120 of Can You Hear Me, Jersak writes:

“One afternoon, I was meeting with a handful of other pastors.  One of them, a faith-healing evangelist full of faith and power, came bustling in.  He was energized, if not ecstatic.  Given my state, this was terrible news.  He began ranting about their latest revival meeting where the “fire of God had fallen” on the service.  He raved about how everyone in the meeting with a disease or illness had been healed and how all the demons had been driven out.  His little testimony was fast escalating into a raging revival sermon.  I thought I might die.  I began to plead to the Lord silently, ‘Jesus, please help me not to judge this man.  I really do want you to bless him.  And I want the fire of God in our meetings too.  I long to see people get saved, delivered, and healed.  But Lord, when this guy describes it, he just ties me out.  His package is so totally different than mine.  Are we to be passed by because of that?  I can’t even pray anymore.  All I do is lie by the Ark in that stupid cave day after day. I don’t even know if it’s real any more.’

At that very moment, the raving prophet turned to me and spoke,

I believe the Lord would say to you, ‘There has been a famine of hearing God in the land.  But like Samuel in 1 Samuel chapter 3, you have been willing to remain lying beside the Ark of my covenant.  You’ve made it your resting place. Therefore, you will witness me restore the voice of the Lord to my people.’”

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Then he gives a footnote for the quote.  If you turn to page 269, the note reads:

“The fellow who shared this with me was Todd Bentley, a flamboyant evangelist with an authentic healing gift.  He’s quite an enigma.”

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So Jersak, when he was working out his understanding of listening prayer, was hanging around with people like Todd Bentley and refers to him as “quite an enigma”?

Enigma?

Not really.  One only needs to look at some of the facts about Bentley to remove the enigma from him.  After all, he is the:

Todd Bentley, who “stepped down” from ministry due to committing adultery and being an alcoholic.

Todd Bentley, who was courting his second wife (who was then working for his ministry) while married to his first.

Tod Bentley, who married his first wife because God told him to (and then somehow thought God’s direct command no longer counted when he found a looker).

Todd Bentley, whose first wife was is disabled with bone cancer (for over a decade) while he was healing thousands of others. (Didn’t Jersak say that Bentley had an “authentic healing gift”?  Did Jersak ever even meet his wife?  Seriously?)

Todd Bentley, who is notorious for claiming to heal people by kicking them in the face.

Todd Bentley, who is a convicted sex offender.  (Admittedly much younger in his life…but there are several serious questions that it brings up when combined with his documented sexual impropriety)

Todd Bentley, who after doing everything in his power to exemplify that he’s biblically unqualified for ministry, is somehow back in ministry.

Todd Bentley, who married this girl (and seems to think she’s a prophet of God, like Isaiah or Elijah).

Not much of enigma.

Not much of an “authentic healing gift” either.

Todd Bentley is a raging false teacher who has as much to do with Biblical Christianity as the movie Cannonball Run.

Jersak admits in writing that he was associated with, and looked up to, obvious and heinous false teachers.

Jersak hung out with, and learned from, the people who Peter warned the church about in 2 Peter 2:1-19 and who Jude warned the church about in Jude 4-13.  Brad Jersak hung around and learned from people who would have deceived him, not taught him biblical truth.  Sure, Jersak would have been associating with Bentley when he was younger and working out his listening prayer ideas, but Bentley is 34 and started his ministry when he was 22, in late 1998.  Jersak’s book is dated 2003, so they would have been associates 3 years at most before his book was published (assuming Bentley took more than a year to become a faith healing “celebrity” and assuming the book took at least a year for the publishing process).

If a person can hang out with fools and false teachers and come out with biblical theology and biblical practice, in spite of the horrible company that they keep, I don’t know how.  In fact, it’s a biblical principle that one cannot do so:

“Do not be misled: ‘Bad company corrupts good character.'” 1 Corinthians 15:33

The bottom line:  Be suspicious of someone who hangs around with false teachers, and do so for good reason.

Until Next Time,

Lyndon “The Armchair Alarmist” Unger

Something new about “Listening Prayer” and Brad Jersak…

I was refered to this, which is an article where Brad Jersak describes his view of the “word of God” in relation to the Bible.  Very enlightening.

Let’s just say that Jersak writes about sola scriptura and and defines it as “the belief that Scripture stands as our soul authority [contra either the Catholics with their Pope or the Charismatics with their prophecies] and that the Bible = the Word of God.”

That’s in the first hundred or so words, and a definition that is that bad makes him comically suspect as an authority on anything theological.  If you think the reformers ever thought of sola scriptura in relation to charismatics, or that sola scriptura means “The Bible is the Word of God”, you’re so far out in left field you’re in the parking lot.

W. Robert Godfrey explains sola scriptura here, and William Webster shows that it’s always been part of historic orthodoxy hereThis is also a great article on the subject by John Frame, explaining how it relates to the great commission and deals with 3 misunderstandings of sola scriptura.

Interestingly, Jersak admits that he used to be a bibliolater (one who worshipped the Bible) and he overcame that with exorcism.

Yup.  When I read the scriptures, I must always seem to miss “love for the word of God” as a mark of demonic possession…?!?

The more of his writing I read, the further from Christian orthodoxy he gets.

He never mentions repentance or anything involving sin and a changing of the heart.  Just exorcism.  I wonder why Jesus never tried that with the Pharisees?  You’d think that, you know, being God and all he would have known…oh, never mind.

Interesting article.

Neo-Orthodoxy

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accademic liberalism (read the commentary by Sean Davidson)

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emergent drivel

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Bart Ehrmans understanding of inerrancy (if there’s doubt regarding any apparent contradiction, it’s not inerrant!)

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some of the ingredients of Jersak’s theology of the word.

No wonder he’s into prophecy.  If I regarded the scriptures as truthful and authoritative on the same level as the yellow pages, I’d abandon it too.

Sad to see names I recognized as friends in the article though.  Got some new people to pray for.

Until Next Time,

Lyndon “The Armchair JEPD-mocking, sola scriptura trumpeting, Historical Christ-worshipping Inerrantist” Unger

UPDATE – December 2010 – I checked the link to the Clarion Journal article.  It’s been removed from the website, removed from the index, and extracted from the Wayback machine.  In fact, the entire clarion journal archives have been removed from the Wayback machine.

I wonder why that happened?  That’s not something that someone normally does for giggles; it takes a bit of work and seems rather unneccessary…

…unless those archives are somehow incriminating.  Hmmm…

I wonder if I write some critiques of Jersak’s other writing, will that writing all of a sudden disappear too?  I wonder if such an miniscule and harmless blog such as this one has been noticed?