A Charismatic Primer Part 10 – The Outreach Top 50 (#41-45)

Time for the tenth installment in this series.  So far, we’ve looked at the New Apostolic Reformation, the Outreach Top 50 #1-5, the Outreach Top 50 #6-10, the Outreach Top 50 #11-15, the Outreach Top 50 #16-20, the Outreach Top 50 #21-25, the the Outreach Top 50 #26-30, the Outreach Top 50 #31-35, and the Outreach Top 50 #36-40. We’ll now look at the Outreach Top 50 #41-45, which includes several churches of interest.

41.  Southland Christian Church of Nicholasville, Kentucky – Pastored by Jon Weece.  Judging from their doctrinal statement and their FAQ page, these guys look like they’re practical cessationists.  They sound like they believe in modern prophecy, but appear to hold to Wayne Grudem’s dichotomy between office and gift of prophesy (which makes them practical cessationists).  Beyond that, here’s a sermon on spiritual gifts that further suggests that these guys take a really low-key, “open but cautious” position on the whole sign gifts/charismatic gifts issue that betrays them as practical cessationists (and seeing that Jon Weece preaches from The Message, I’m guessing these guys don’t exactly do original language exegesis…THE MESSAGE).

42.  Faith Fellowship Ministries World Outreach Center of Sayreville, New Jersey – Pastored by David T. Demola.  Unless the “World Outreach Center” didn’t give you a hint, these guys are a straight up prosperity gospel preaching church:

42a. Their doctrinal statement doesn’t exactly hide much.  They believe in the doctrine of subsequence (salvation and the baptism of the Spirit are entirely separate and distinct events), the doctrine of initial evidence (tongues is the outward evidence of the baptism of the Spirit), and that physical health and financial prosperity are provided in the atonement…I mean point #11 of their doctrinal statement is a whole doctrinal point on prosperity.  Subtlety and nuance are not ingredients in what these folks are cooking.  They have a separate Q & A page that explains some of their distinctives, like why they speak in tongues and prophesy in church, and they have a whole list of “what I have in Christ” that is a “name it and claim it” heresy checklist.

42b. Something interesting is that Demola apparently got his ThD from Golden State University, which looks like it doesn’t even have a department of religion and is “accredited” by some of the most bizarre sounding organizations I’ve ever heard of. Strange…but it’s not unheard of in charismatic circles for pastors to have highly questionable credentials from “schools” that accredit themselves or are under an “accrediting” body made up of several schools that embrace similar strains of false teaching (or have absolutely no doctrinal standards whatsoever).

42c.  Demola also runs Covenant Ministries International, which is an organization for creating “sons of Issachar” and is run by a team of apostles.  If you’ve been around Charismatic circles for any length of time, you’ll recognize how common obscure Old Testament language, like the phrase “sons of Issachar”, is in those circles.  One awesome example is in this famous video of Jessa Bentley.  At 2:47 she talks about “the sons of Ishcar” and then apparently gets hit with a tazer (but she probably stole that idea from someone else…).

42d. Faith Fellowship Ministries World Outreach Center has an in house school of ministry. which apparently offers a 1 year ministry prep degree for”effective service in the five-fold ministry”.  Again, the “five-fold ministry” language is familiar to those who have been around Charismatic circles for some time.

42e.  Faith also has a school of Christian counseling that, from the looks of things, is barely integrationist; more likely openly secular while adding in “Christianese nonsense”.  The school also offers a course in something called “Creation Therapy” (if you’re a Biblical Counselor, read at your own risk…I can only imagine what insanity is peddled in the classroom).  What exactly is the category for secular psychology combined with prosperity gospel?  I don’t know, but it’s something like this:

Gangsta Frankenstein

General Idea – Faith Fellowship Ministries World Outreach Center is a loud and proud prosperity gospel church.

43.  Abundant Living Faith Center of El Paso, Texas – Pastored by Charles Nieman.  Again, if this name doesn’t give it you a serious hint, these guys are also a serious prosperity preaching church:

43a.  Their doctrinal statement says, in no uncertain terms, that “Believers should be baptized in the Holy Spirit, speak with other tongues and experience the gifts of the Holy Spirit in their lives”, that “It is God’s will that believers prosper and be in health”. and that “God heals through believers “laying hands on the sick in prayer according to Mark 16”.

That last one refers to Mark 16:17-18, and as anyone who knows anything about textual criticism knows, that passage (actually Mark 16:9-20)  is non-canonical (not actually part of the Bible) and nobody who knows about textual criticism really contests that.  Not only are these guys prosperity preachers, but they take doctrine from one of two sections in scripture that aren’t even part of the Scripture (though that’s not an uncommon mistake, and is all over the place).  Mistakes like that are a good demonstration of the difference between educated and uneducated pastors (and Nieman is definitely uneducated).  The last thing you want to do (especially as a church) is to trust God to keep a promise he’s never made; that’s a recipe for disappointment if I’ve ever seen it.  Having a dynamic personality, being a good public speaker and preaching Jesus are great…but Paul commanded Timothy to “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).   If your pastor cannot rightly interpret the scriptures, or isn’t continually developing and improving their ability to handle the scripture, then the apostle Paul says that they should be ashamed of themselves.

Paul said it, not me.

43b.  Here’s their Church 101 page, where the pastor answers questions on various things.   The whole God is on your side video is interesting, and it’s telling how he explicitly commits the same error that he condemns others of (modeling God after what you want him to be), and it’s telling how he explicitly suggests that God is unconcerned with sin.  Also, it’s absolutely ironic how he totally downplays the law and yet, in the tithing video, tries to claim all the Old Testament teaching on tithing as being binding on the church (with the exception being that in the Old Testament the tithes were taken but in the New Testament they were received).  Also, I find it telling how the video on tithing is twice as long as any of the other videos (and I couldn’t help but notice that in his illustration regarding tithing, God is the wife and the Christians are the husband…but I won’t read into that too much…).  The Holy Spirit video is actually a video about praying in tongues (and he misquotes both his supporting texts regarding the apostles and his claim that every one of them prayed in tongues).  He defines tongues as “your own personal, spiritual, prayer language” and he claims that the purpose of tongues is basically for God and a person’s self edification in their personal relationship to God, and so that we can side-step our own confused desires and pray what God wants us to pray in a way that we don’t actually understand…which is okay because we don’t really need to know what we’re praying for since it’s God praying through us (which makes absolutely no sense).

43c.  The church offers the congregation a prosperity quick reference positive confession card for finances, so that members can always remember how to speak wealth into existence.  Also, with regards to positive confession, these guys are very open about their positive confession theology (and for those who don’t know, the simple idea behind “positive confession” is simply that your words have the power to create reality so if you speak positively about something, what you speak will become reality.  The opposite is also taught; if you speak negatively about something, what you speak will become reality.  It’s a very old idea that comes from Hinduism which has crept into the church over the last hundred+ years through some amazingly undiscerning people.)

hear-see-speak-no-evil1

43d.  And if that’s not enough for you, look at who’s coming to their Thrive 2013 conference.  Jentezen Franklin (#24)?  Creflo Dollar? The Spanish ministries pastor at Lakewood (Church #1)?  Anyone who invites Creflo Dollar to headline a conference is going out of their way to say “we are a haven for false teachers!”  (Beyond that, one of those guys is a life coach, and I cannot stand life coaches.  “Life Coach” is a wanna-be pastor who doesn’t meet the biblical requirements for ministry, usually in their ability to teach doctrine and in their personal holiness, but confuses ministry with “helping people” (with highly unbiblical ideas and theology picked up from Oprah, spiritual development practices, bumper stickers, the “Chicken soup for the soul” books, and hundred+ year old New Thought heresy).  Life coaching is what a person lacking any shred of biblical discernment does who wants the “joys” of helping people but can’t live up to the high expectations of pastoral ministry.  Having a “life coach” at a conference to instruct pastors is like bringing a homeopath to speak at a neurosurgery conference.)

43e.  It’s not really a doctrinal point, but it’s is highly suspicious and appears to be a massive conflict of interest when your staff page reveals that your daughter is the HR director for the church and your son is the church accountant.

General Idea – Abundant Living Faith Center is another loud and proud prosperity church that thinks the narrow road has a stop along the way:

Prosperity

44.  Lutheran Church of Hope West of Des Moines, Iowa – Pastored by Mike Housholder.  This church is Evangelical Lutheran and actually says nothing on the website about spiritual gifts/charismatic issues.  They have a “health and wellness” page, but it’s definitely not prosperity gospel stuff.  This church apparently has far more concerns with the issues around homosexuality than spiritual gifts/charismatic issues.  I’d take an educated guess and say that this church was practical cessationists.

45. The Village Church of Flower Mound, Texas – Pastored by Matt Chandler.  This is another “reformed charismatic” church.  Chandler is on the more cautious spectrum of the Mark Driscoll side of things (probably most closely akin to many Calvary Chapel pastors), but he’s not nearly as tame as James MacDonald.  There’s almost nothing about the Village Church (or Matt Chandler) online, except for the following:

45a.  The Village Church has official positional papers written by Geoff Ashley (the apparent resident theologian) on what “charismatic” means, what they believe about spiritual gifts, what women can do at The Village Church (which includes prophesying), and Demons and deliverance (which is somewhat related to Charismatic issues).

45b.  Chandler is interviewed by Adrian Warnock here on being a reformed charismatic.

45c.  I’ve even gone through the whole sermon archives of The Village Church and haven’t found any Charismatic issues addressed except for some minor passing references in sermons like this one or this one or this one or this one.

General Idea – The Village Church is a church that claims to be ‘charismatic” but I’d argue is clearly a practical cessationist church.  Chandler, like Driscoll, simply has the experience of a cessationist and describes his cessationist experience in misapplied charismatic language.  The “tongues” he speaks in aren’t biblical tongues, and the “prophecy” he allows isn’t biblical prophecy.

So that’s the end of my exploration of #41-45.

Now all those people who were wondering about Chandler have the answers they were looking for…or not.  At least they have an answer.

Until Next Time,

Lyndon “Trying to describe his experience with properly applied biblical language” Unger

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  4. I recently ordered a 1 year subscription to Daily Devotional booklets sold by David T Demola Ministries / Faith Fellowship Ministries located in NJ. I cannot stress enough: DO NOT ORDER from anything from this organization who cashed my check and did not send the books. I called a million times to no avail and now have contacted the NJ Middlesex Consumer Affairs Dept.

    The first few times some of the employees there apologized and finally sent my quarterly book way after the quarter started. Then the HR department advised that I call Jacklyn Demola, the pastor’s daughter, who never returned my phone calls to resolve the issue. She did however, send me a letter stating that my subscription had ended. My subscription does not end until August 2016. Demola is ending my subscription 6 months early. They have aggravated me to no end and I am will never donate to them or order any other products again. I warn others not to either.

    The good news is that “The Word for You Today” company who sells to these type of organizations who then re-sell their products, will send me the annual subscription from here on in and they could not have been nicer!

    David T Demola, You should know that the customers come first and should not be ignored, especially when you’ve cashed their check for goods not received! Shame !!

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