Growing in Doctrine…or Cessationism and Continuationism and Strange Fire, Oh MY! (part 3.5)

When it comes to addressing the whole continuationist vs. cessationist issue, an issue regularly comes up (and as expected, it has again).  I get told that I shouldn’t pick on people who don’t agree with me (it’s not very loving) and when I critically address some bizarre or absurd teaching that someone has put out in public that is more than a few years old, I get told that it’s not fair because “he may not believe that anymore”.

Well, that is most definitely true.  Joyce Meyer may not believe in the “ransom to Satan” theory of the atonement anymore, simply because it’s absolute rank heresy and there are clips of her talking about it all over the web…and even if she still believes it, she’s smart enough to not say anything about it.  But, in the age where everything gets recorded and ends up on iPods in Antarctica 20 years after it’s said, it’s not enough to simply silently change one’s mind on theological issues that have previously been a part of one’s public teaching.  When an evangelical leader changes their mind on something that they’ve previously been vocal about, they need to be equally vocal (if not more so) about whatever their new position is.

Allow me to tell a little story:

In 1972 in this sermon, John MacArthur first taught (to my knowledge) the incarnational sonship of Christ (the idea that Christ became the Son in the incarnation, though he was always God).  MacArthur then published the idea in commentaries, bible studies and other booklets, and in 1991 he presented his views to the IFCA international (his old denomination) in the form of a booklet called “the Sonship of Christ”.  He got a lot of heat for not teaching the eternal sonship of Christ (the idea that Christ had been the Son since eternity past and was also always God), and although he is quite possibly the busiest man I’ve ever met in my life, he interacted with people, took some scorching critique, listened to criticisms, and in 1999 changed his position on the issue.  I have very few piece of paper that are always in my Bible, but one of them is a printout of this article; the public printing of his recantation of incarnational sonship from the Spring 2001 issue of the Journal of the Council of Biblical Manhood & Womanhood.  I stumbled upon it when I was in the library in Bible College, and at the time I didn’t really like MacArthur much at all…but I printed it off and could not help but respect that it took a pretty serious fellow to admit that he was wrong in a national publication like that (he also printed it other places and it’s currently still on the GTY website).  Not only did he admit that he was wrong, but he also rebutted himself and corrected his own false teaching.  The sermon I linked to up above has since been edited and he re-preached the part that got him into hot water.

I know it’s a high standard to follow that many might find a little unrealistic, but should not pastors of 10,000+ member mega-churches be men of high-grade character worth emulating?

Until Next Time,

Lyndon “My comments always turn into posts” Unger


5 thoughts on “Growing in Doctrine…or Cessationism and Continuationism and Strange Fire, Oh MY! (part 3.5)

  1. I’m waiting…and studying before I post any thoughts regarding the series concerning this series. Personally, I think you’re brilliant. Why? Because this series, to anyone who takes it seriously, is full of statements that question the believer’s knowledge of the Bible. I’m ”on the look-out” with this series, it’s a sort of test for me. Also because in many ways you yourself are not stating if you’re in full agreement with all the statements. Very challenging and very interesting. p.s. prayers please for health and the same here for you and your family (alright, i used ”series” too often…yes i can write more formally regardless, your Sermon Statements still serve the purpose of re-engaging believers!!! Even when they are not feeling well!!! So that is a big compliment to you, fellow Believer!!!) At least I did not say ”irregardless” haha. Thank you, Mennonite. +++

    • Thanks Marie! I’m glad to have encouraged you to dig a little deeper into some important biblical issues!

      Also, I haven’t forgotten about you and the biblical view of illness. That’s on the list, but posts like that take a lot of time to do well…

    • I don’t know the specifics, but I have heard from several Grace Church folks that it got pretty aggressive. I’m not sure, but I think that’s why GCC is no longer IFCA. I’m not sure if they were booted or left, but I think this was the issue that drew them apart.

      I’ve gotta admit, after reading some of the material that is out there that I didn’t link to (but you can find online), there were a bunch of absolutely idiotic accusations out there (like “x number of churches left the IFCA because of MacArthur”).

      He publicly recanted on every venue available to him, and he edited the sermons in question and re-posted them. I’m not sure what more he could have done…but some people in the IFCA wanted him to do something stupid like go to each IFCA church and apologize to each individual congregation…!?!

      Also, congratulations on being my one thousandth commenter Jimmy!

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