News and News and News!

Okay. I’ve got around 20 seconds to blog something, and I have two things to to alert my readers to:

1.  Something to pay attention to: A new book on premillenialism that is a much welcome introductory offering.

2.  Something to not pay attention to:  In Calgary, there’s an upcoming conference where the main speaker is an “missional practitioner”.  Isn’t that a synonym for “church attendee”?  Just noticing how some people go to great lengths to make themselves appear credible.

Now off to bed!

Until Next Time,

Lyndon “8 seconds on the keyboard!” Unger


16 thoughts on “News and News and News!

  1. “Just noticing how some people go to great lengths to make themselves appear credible.”

    “I’m a big fan of historical/grammatical hermeneutics and attempt to apply them consistently and comprehensively.

    I know my biblical languages and am still learning to love them, although we’re currently dating and hope to pursue a long-term relationship. Hebrew thankfully hasn’t taken me to meet the folks, and I’m well acquainted with many of Greek’s great-grand-children.”

    Your wonderfully ironic comedy writing continues to amaze! Thanks so much for your continued (oblivious, pot-calling-the-kettle-black) comedic stylings!

    • HA! So have you noticed that I’m not speaking at a conference with “I attend a church” or even “I live in a bad part of town and am CLEARLY a missionary” as the main part of my resume?

      You know that this is a blog, right? Blogs are right up there with the likes of TV Guide as an authority on important questions of truth.

    • You can ask any question you want Katherine!

      I cannot guarantee that I’ll have an answer for you, or possibly an answer that you like, but I’ll do what I can.

      When you talk about Transformation Churches, are you talking about a church movement (like Calvary Chapel) or a program (like Natural Church Development) or something else entirely?

  2. Not sure I understand the value you put on Bible school education. I can’t even recommend a Bible school to someone anymore because of the lack of good BIble based teaching. Most so called Bible schools have yoked themselves to mainstream teachings by becoming accredited. On top of that, most Bible schools are more interested in denominational indoctrination than sound Bible teaching. The pastor of a local Mennonite Brethren organization got his doctorate by writing his thesis on Neil Anderson’s “Bondage Breaker.” It wasn’t about the Bible at all and now he’s considered a theologian of the Bible?
    We are to disciple new believers. This is not the school model at all!
    I thank God that I was discipled! And I have yet to meet a Bible school grad that has learned anything more than I have learned about the Bible.

    • “I can’t even recommend a Bible school to someone anymore because of the lack of good BIble based teaching”

      Yeah, I agree somewhat. There are a lot of bible training institutions that don’t really consistently teach the scriptures. Not all do that though.

      Not all bible training institutions are all about denominational indoctrination either. That’s a fairly broad brush to use and I can point to several schools that aren’t that myopic.

      You said “…I have yet to meet a Bible school grad that has learned anything more than I have learned about the Bible.”

      Really? You’ve never met anyone with a Bible education that has learned ANYTHING more than you have about the Bible? Wow. I’m wondering if I could get some help with a few exegetical questions then!

      • I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say in my last statement. I didn’t mean that I know everything about the Bible. I was trying to say that just because someone has gone to Bible school doesn’t mean they have a better understanding of the Bible than someone who studies it with a true love and passion for Jesus Christ.

      • OOOOOOOh!

        Then, I’d hypothetically agree.

        Bible education done in an organized institutional setting (i.e. Bible College or Seminary) is not necessarily better than Bible education done in an informal setting (i.e. discipleship). If all the pastors/elders in all the churches were skillful exegetes of scripture who had a full-orbed biblical worldview that grew out of a comprehensive study of scripture (with the buttressing help of a good grasp of the whole of church history), discipleship would be all that would ever be needed.

        I’d honestly love it if the bible schools and seminaries had to close their doors because local churches were doing such a fantastic job of discipleship and training that there was no longer any need for them. I wish that local churches would recognize young men who are gifted and then train them up in theology, biblical languages, exegesis, hermeneutics, counseling, homiletics, church history, shepherding and apologetics. I wish that every church would have a comprehensive in house training program that would equip leaders with a full-orbed understanding of the scriptures and church history and the ability to rightly divide the word of truth; to teach sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

        Instead, I see a church in western Canada that has need for bible colleges and seminaries because a majority of the young people emerging from church youth programs are religious zombies who think the “Pentateuch” is a five pointed star and cannot explain the gospel beyond a mindless regurgitation of slogans and clichés. Bible colleges and seminaries exist because the standard for what passes for “biblical literacy” in many churches is so low, we need a shovel to find it. I work at a Bible College and their number 1 struggle is convincing churches to send their kids to Bible College…because a majority of the kids (and their parents) think gaining biblical understanding is a waste of time and money (because it has no practical value). An overwhelming majority of professing Christians in “Evangelical” churches in Western Canada think that there’s not much to the Bible beyond long-winded moral instructions and learning how to get to heaven.

        Maybe you were discipled by John MacArthur or S. Lewis Johnson or some amazing pastor who taught you a comprehensive understanding of scripture. I sure wasn’t.

  3. My mind is Numb from all the learning I am doing lately so I wont read what you write for the main posts for fear of my brain bursting into flames but I will always read the comments… “young Lyndon Unger” Love it!!

  4. I don’t think Bible school is going to fix the problem. It’s the lack of love, relationship and lordship of Jesus Christ among those who call themselves Christians that is hindering the Kingdom. It doesn’t matter whether you’re dealing with a Bible school graduate or the guy sitting at the back of the church every Sunday–you cannot have good teaching without being a servant of Jesus Christ.

  5. The problem is the zombies. And who created the zombies? The churches led by Bible school graduated pastors. It’s a humanistic system that will seldom produce a passionate believer.
    So to sum up, I think Bible study is good. 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
    However, there is something more integral to the Christian life—relationship. 1 John 5:1-2 “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.”
    Romans 8:28 “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”
    And without this relationship, all the study in the world will not create a healthy church. Corinthians 13: 1-2 “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.”
    Last of all, without the Holy Spirit, man’s pursuit of knowledge is futile. God has chosen the foolish things of the world. 1 Corinthians 1: 24-29 “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence.”
    The humble church attendee may have a mighty message from God.
    I realize it’s hard to convey emotions in discussions of this nature but I want you to know it is out of love and concern for a Christian brother (you) that I wrote in the first place. And this is what I want to leave you with, Mr. Unger. Which better reflects a church you’d want to attend?
    1. A minister that is very involved in deep theological studies and presents sermons loaded with historical information. Many times he seems unapproachable and makes some of his members uncomfortable.
    2. A minister that studies the Bible, gives passionate sermons and then greets his parishioners. He takes special note of names so he can greet these people as he encounters them during the week.

    • The churches created the zombies…and the bible schools created the zombie-creating pastors…and the bible schools were created to meet a need that the pastors weren’t meeting. So who’s to blame again?

      You don’t seriously think those are the only two realistic options, do you?

      Option 1 is a “pastor” who doesn’t actually “shepherd” and option 2 is a man who cannot rightly divide the word of truth. Both options 1 & 2 wouldn’t meet the list of requirements in the scripture.

      Why not option 3: the pastor who’s a shepherd and a scholar? I know some pastors that are option 3. I’m wondering if you do?

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